Some extremal set problems can be phrased as follows. Given an -matrix with no repeated columns and with no submatrix of a certain type, what is a bound on in terms of ? We examine a conjecture of Frankl, Füredi, and Pach and the author that when we forbid a submatrix then is . Two proof techniques are presented, one is amortized complexity and the other uses a result of Alon to show that is for , improving on the previous bound of .